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Friday, July 18, 2008

Re: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] New Moderator

Dont Email  me again. iam not interested.

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[Shadeshi_Bondhu] SB Get Together

Dear SBians,
SB is going to arrange it's 2nd get Together on 8 August 2008.
Previous date (1 August) is changed due to an unavoidable situation.
So friends, let us know who wanna join the party. And what
arrangemnts can be kept there. Plz, do let us know who are interested
to join. Also if anyone come with any suggestion about the place of
the Get Together, then plz tell us.

Looking forward to get resonse of all active members from home and
abroad.

Hurry! Only limited number of ppl will be allowed to join the party.
So do inform us who wanna join with us!

Keep cool ;)

Riday,
ADMIN_ShadeshiBondhu


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[Shadeshi_Bondhu] New Moderator

Dear SBians,

We are happy to announce that, paglee.girl is selected as our new
moderator. Hope you all will co-operate with her.

Paglee, congratulations!!! Hope your contribution will enrich SB.. :)

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[Shadeshi_Bondhu] Re: whats going on in BD??

কি পà§&lsqauo;স্টের কি জবাব?
দু:খিত আমার মাথার
এন্টেনার উপর দিয়ে
গেল।
--- In Shadeshi_Bondhu@yahoogroups.com, dina khan <dina30_khan@...>
wrote:
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> You can ask CTG to open quality schools for providing professional
quality education to the professional people including the Politicians,
Media, Judicial & Law professionals for making them clear understanding
& realizing persons in making the differences & to know who are rulling
the country..
> It needs to know first
> 1)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Why was created the situation
for coming this present 1/11 CTGÂ Â with Special Emergency Power?
> 2)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Who are the responsible persons
for creating the terrible disaster in the country for State Emergency?
> 3)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â What is the CTG?
> 4)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â What are the reasons for making
CTG in Bangladesh?
> 5)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Who are the makers of CTG?
> 6)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Why could not be possible to
conduct Normal Election by Normal CTG?
> 7)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Who are the persons for making
causes of failure to normal CTG?
> 8)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Now it can think
> 9)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â What is RAB?
> 10)Â Â Who makes RAB?
> 11)Â Â What is the purpose for making RAB &
> 12)Â Â What is the difference among RAB, all forces & other
professionals
> It is needed now by the concerned people for realizing that to
understand any thing needs some understanding knowledge. To earn
understanding knowledge requires some education. To understand theÂ
difference between the right & wrong or to make the difference between a
Dakat & a soldier needs knowledge of quality education.
> For earning knowledge of quality educational requires quality
educational schools.
> But it is the very regretful matter that Dhaka University or any
educational institution in Bangladesh has no system & does not provide
quality education.
> On the other hand
> The Political Party Government does not require for thinking that for
providing quality education to the professional people to make them
understanding persons for making the differences to their actual duty &
to do efficiently. .
> So
> This CTG is advised & asked for making a system to provide quality
education nation wide to all professionals for making them quality
educated & quality understanding persons to make the differences &Â
to do their actual duty correctly in time. It can be asked CTG to
provide nation wide job basis quality education nation wide for
all category professionals for realizing the difference between a Dakat
and a Soldier.
> Examples can be given for learning that
> 1)      Who is Dakat what his work, Who
is army what his work
> Can you think are equal both?
> 2)Â Â Â Â Â Â Who is chur what his duty, Who is
police what his duty
> Is it true that are the same the work of police & the work of chur?
> 3)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Who is politician what his
function & what the relation among dakat army police chur& other
professionals.
> Can be thought that are all same? Have you Idea that in Bangladesh are
all working with the same motive for reaching at the same destination to
their aim of looting public money & power?
> 4)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Lastly all to know & to
understand what is the duty & responsibility of the Government &
> 5)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â What is being done in Bangladesh
by the Government of Bangladesh?
> The high court has no legal right to challenge the policy which is
made by the legal CTG Council of CTG Government.
> Â Causes:
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> CTG appointed by the elected legal president is the constitutional
legal Government for conducting fair & neutral election.
> The CTG as a Care Taker Government in the CTG system can make any
policy & can make any rules of law for Nation interest for creating
Lawful Administration to conduct fair & neutral election & to rule
the country for the people’s well fare.Â
> So the duty of the Judicial Department is to do trialing works & to
give verdict according to the rules of law made by the National Assembly
& the rules in absence of National Assembly made by the CTG Council.
> The duty of the Government is to follow the rules of the constitution
made by the National Assembly & the rules made by the CTG Council.
> Â
> CTG can introduce Jury Board System in Judicial Verdicts for
Establishing the Justice of law, Justice of human right for Establishing
the faith to the public mind & to the society that Lawful Verdict is
given by the Court. The Jury Board can be formed selecting the Jury
Board members from the National Voter list.
> Â
> Â
>
> --- On Thu, 17/7/08, ♪ bLuE BoY ♪ «««
pramiti.riday@... wrote:
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> From: ♪ bLuE BoY ♪ ««« pramiti.riday@...
> Subject: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] whats going on in BD??
> To: "Shadeshi Bondhu" shadeshi_bondhu@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, 17 July, 2008, 10:41 PM
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> www.sachalayatan. com name a ekta site amader(!!) govt. ban kore
diyese! BD theke dhoka jasse na ai site-a.. eta ekta bangla blog site..
aj a bapare Prothom-alo o BDnews24.com a news hoyese. ki amon silo j
Bangladesh er moto ekta gonotrantik deshe amon ekta kaz kora holo? amar
jana mote online a mot prokasher khetre amon badha BD te agey kokhono
ghote ni.. jotodur jani, juddhporadhider niye ekti lekha prokasher por
por-e site ti BD theke ai site a dhoka jasse na.. ekdike dekhi razakar
der oshlil nritto r ashfalon, kisui hoyna tader.. jamin peye jay 71-er
chinhito dalal ra.. ar onno dike lathi khay muktijoddhara. . tar
protibad korte giye muktijoddhar shontan ra pay polishi badha.. sector
commandar der shommelon korte onumoti dite chay na govt r vondo
muktijoddha forum onayashe kore ekadhik shova.. keno sadharon manush
gulor mot prokashei ato badha.. kano?? ami vito, desher manchitro ki
abar purono shokun ra khamche dhorchhee aste aste ashte prishte..??Â
> for those who r interested to see the mentioned site, go to the
following site and put the www.sachalayatan. com in the box given dere.
u can easily browse any blocked site wid dis trick. but try once to
visit it directly, u'll c u cant visit it if u r frm BD.
> Block bypassing site:
> http://www.skunkrox .comÂ
> Â
> RiDay
> http://eRidz. blogspot. com
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> Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Re: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical


Making the Differnces....for creating the Quality..No for None ...System is essential..........
--- On Fri, 18/7/08, ♪ bLuE BoY ♪ ««« <pramiti.riday@gmail.com> wrote:
From: ♪ bLuE BoY ♪ ««« <pramiti.riday@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical
To: Shadeshi_Bondhu@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 11:52 AM

ki mail er ki reply disen kisui to bujhlam na!! the main mail was abt the "NO" option in upcoming national election.. ar apni ki nia likhsen.. ki ki j likhsen! High court er legal odhikar niye prosno tulsen.. huh! apni ki janen, adalot niye na jene ulta palta comment korar jonne apnar biruddhe adalot obomanonar mamla hote parey?? court issa korle govt er any activity challenge korte pare.. court asei jekono onnay theke jonogon k rokkha korar jonne.. shorkar jodi onnay kore ba korte pare bole court er kase prosno dkeha dey, tokhon shorkarkeo challenge kora jete pare.. ta se ellected govt e hok r non-elected caretaker govt e hok..

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:55 AM, dina khan <dina30_khan@ yahoo.com> wrote:

ou can ask CTG to open quality schools

for providing professional quality education

to the professional people including the Politicians, Media, Judicial & Law professional

for making them clear understanding & realizing persons in making the differences.

You can tell them to know first

1)        Why was created the situation for coming this present 1/11 CTG   with Special Emergency Power?

2)        Who are the responsible persons for creating the terrible disaster in the country for State Emergency?

3)        What is the CTG?

4)        What are the reasons for making CTG in Bangladesh?

5)        Who are the makers of CTG?

6)        Why could not be possible to conduct Normal Election by Normal CTG?

7)        Who are the persons for making causes of failure to normal CTG?

8)        Now it can think

9)        What is RAB?

10)   Who makes RAB?

11)   What is the purpose for making RAB &

12)   What is the difference among RAB, all forces & other professionals

You can say to the concerned people that for realizing  & to understand any thing needs some understanding knowledge.

To earn understanding knowledge requires some education.

To understand the difference between the right & wrong or to make the difference between a Dakat & a soldier needs knowledge of quality education.

For earning knowledge of quality educational requires quality educational schools.

You can point out saying that it is the very regretful matter

That Dhaka University or any educational institution in Bangladesh has no system & does not provide quality education.

On the other hand

The Political Party Government does not require for thinking that for providing quality education to the professional people to make them understanding persons for making the differences to their actual duty & to do their duty efficiently.

So & Therefore:

This CTG is advised & asked for making a system to provide quality education nation wide to all professionals for making them quality educated & quality understanding persons to make the differences &  to do their actual duty correctly in time. It can be asked CTG to provide nation wide job basis quality education nation wide for all category professionals for realizing the difference between a Dakat and a Soldier.

You can give the Examples for learning & knowing that

1)       Who is Dakat what his work, Who is army what his work

Can you think are equal both?

2)       Who is chur what his duty, Who is police what his duty

Is it true that are the same the work of police & the work of chur?

3)        Who is politician what his function & what the relation among dakat army police chur& other professionals.

Can be thought that are all ( police army politicians chur & dakat) same? Have you Idea that in Bangladesh are all ( police army politicians chur & dakat) working with the same motive for reaching at the same destination to their aim of looting public money & power?

4)         Lastly all to know & to understand what is the duty & responsibility of the Government &

5)        What is being done in Bangladesh by the Government of Bangladesh?

You can Advise to the Court saying that

The high court has no legal right to challenge the policy which is made by the legal CTG Council of CTG Government.

Causes:

CTG appointed by the elected legal president is the constitutional legal Government for conducting fair & neutral election.

The CTG as a Care Taker Government in the CTG system can make any policy & can make any rules of law for Nation interest for creating Lawful Administration to conduct fair & neutral election & to rule the country for the people's well fare. 

So the duty of the Judicial Department is to do trialing works & to give verdict according to the rules of law made by the National Assembly & the rules in absence of National Assembly made by the CTG Council.

The duty of the Government is to follow the rules of the constitution made by the National Assembly & the rules made by the CTG Council.

 

You can also ask CTG to introduce Jury Board System in Judicial Verdicts

for Establishing the Justice of law, Justice of human right

for Establishing the faith to the public mind & to the society that Lawful Verdict is given by the Court.

The Jury Board can be formed selecting the Jury Board members from the National Voter list.


--- On Fri, 18/7/08, Innovation Line <innovation_line@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical
To: Shadeshi_Bondhu@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 8:59 AM


NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical option
From the information available so far, the option of introducing NO vote seems to be a prescription to nowhere! This has the potential to destroy the whole system. We propose a slighly different option which might be considered. The alternate choice would help achieve the same goal with a little complexity. But its not impractical as the "None of the above" options is.
 
 
Ok, ok, the title is a bit too harsh, may be.
 
It should first be recognized that the option of a NO vote gives the voters an additional choice to express themselves. And as a outcome, if a NO vote ever passes if such a regulation becomes effective, it is really a good outcome. It's good as far as academic perspective is concerned. Democracy in works.
 
However, if you really implement it and if there is a win for NO in an election, then what do you do?
 
You cancel the election, presumably. Then what?
 
Arrange for another election. Who are the candidates now? What happens if the same candidates gets nomination from the political parties, again?
 
Ok, lets for the sake of debate, lets assume, you disqualify the all the candidates from contesting again. Then what? But the second group of candidates, who are being nominated by the same political parties, could be equally disliked by the voters and NO could win again. So, what to do now?
 
With the proposed introduction of the NO opiton, we may get a very good, theoretically sound system that gives more options to the voters. But in practice, it seems to be poised to stumble.
 
Ok, lets assume, you do not go for a re-election. Rather you empower a pre-defined body of selectors to appoint an office bearer in cases where NO vote wins. Ideally, this could solve the problem, in some cases, but who ensures that body of selectors would not start campaigning for NO vote so they can appoint their own candidates bypassing the peoples' opinion? Nobody can assure us that would not happen. In fact, there is every potential that the bureacracy will become a de-facto NO party competing with the rest of the political parties. This scenario is a road to nowhere!
 
[A similar thing has happened with the system of caretaker government. The policy-makers thought they can safely use the office to Chief Justice to rescue them from a cronic political problem. You can not have a system that would substitute the need for a responsible and competent politicians. Moreover, there will always be people like Moudud who will find a way to beat the system, if you leave a scope for that. Bottomline is that there is no free lunch. Never. This also signifies the need for the so-called civil soceity members to come out of their comfort zone and actually be involved in politics in a more direct mode, instead of current consultative mode.
 
Off course, it is always possible to improve the system which do a better job in electing better candidates. The system should not try to replace the need for responsible candidates, which it never can, rather the system should aim to empower the general people so they can elect better candidates and encourage good candidates to run for office. In the following section, we propose such a system which has the potential to improve the system. Please let us know what you think about it.]
 
Back to the square again. We can not think of a scenario, Mr. CEC and Mr. Chief Adviser, which actually gives an expected result. But we might be wrong. We will be waiting to hear the logic which proves us wrong. 
 
There is one option though - which might work. Lets lay out the thought for your consideration.
 
The underlying message of this proposed change in regulation is to give more option to people, which is a noble objective. The extra option of NO, in its current form, aims to give the voters a second chance. But that second chance comes at a cost, through another round of electoral campaign. Even unfortunate is that does not solve the problem, even after the cost of another round of campaign.
 
So, we propose, why don't just give voters a second choice in the first round of voting? Under this system, voters will vote for two choices for any post. First choice and Second choice. Say for the post of Mayor or MP (where one candidate will eventually be elected), votes in a ballot for first choice and in another ballot for a second choice candidate among the other candidates. The two ballots (one for first choice, and one for second choice) could be of different colors so they are easily identifiable.
 
While counting, we could decide to count the votes for first choice first. If any of the candidates gets 66% of the firsth choice votes, we consider him / her as winner.
 
However, if nobody gets a two-third majority, we could decide to count all the first choice and second choice ballots and decide a winner through a simple majority.
 
It will be a compromise between what we had before and what we may get with the option of NO vote. We think it gives more option to the people, increases the chance of better candidates to come out in certain situations and most importantly, its pragmatic, it does not burden the election system. Its not uncertain.
 
It seems to us that it could be workable solution. For example, people are usually less likey to vote for a good candidate from non-major party even if they would personally tell you that they would have given the vote if the good candidate had any chance of winning. That kind of mentality is a major setback for our democratic norms. But that is the reality. You can not change people over night. Also, we need to work on educating our populace. In the language of general people, they think, they will be wasting a vote for the good candidate with no immediate and tangible result.
 
While Shujan personnel like Dr. Badiul Alam Majumder might tell you that this kind of mentality is not suitable for democracy, we will tell you that its the problem with people like them that they don't understand how the real life actually works. Though he seems to be working out in the field now a days, however, we are sorry to say that some people are too idealistic. Theory is good, but reality is even better if you can use the mechanics of the natuaral tendency of people. Thats the key. As long as people think its a waste of vote, then its a waste of vote. And we also think its a waste of vote, as far as voting result is concerned. Hence, its pragmatic on the part of the voters to try to choose the lesser evil.
 
Now, those of you who are thinking that introducing a NO option will fix the problem inherent in the logic of choosing a lesser evil, you could not be more wrong.
 
To repeat: there is two option.
 
1. Keep the current voting rules which is being followed all over the world (Do not think all the democracies of the world didn't think about this easy fix. They probably didn't consider this option for the reason of impractibility, we think). Keep pounding the political parties and other institutions so that they choose better candidates.
 
OR
 
2. Try to find an alternate framework that might be better comapared to what we have now. We mentioned one such possibility with the "two-choice voting" method. Its our hope that everybody will give this choice the due diligence that it deserves.
 
If you thought some of the ideas are worth of your reading time, please forward it to others. If you have an ear to the columnists in regular traditional media, please forward it to them. If you have an ear to the journalists and news editors of the electronic media, discuss it with them. Hope they would look at the suggestions and give due diligence. 
 
Thanks for your time,
Innovation Line
 
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Dear readers, also, if you thought the article was important enough so it should come under attention of the head of the government please forward the message to them. Email address for the Chief Advisor: feeedback@pmo. gov.bd_ or at http://www.cao. gov.bd/ feedback/comments. php .
You may send it to the Election Commission: http://www.ecs. gov.bd/English/ FieldOffAddr. php

Also send to your favourtie TV channel:
Channel i: http://www.channel- i-tv.com/ contact.html
ATN Bangla: mtplive@atnbangla. tv_
NTV: info@ntvbd.com_
RTV: info@rtvbd.tv_
BTV: info@btv.gov. bd_
 
The more of you forward it to them, the less will be the need to go back to street agitation. Use ICT to practice democracy.
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Re: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical

ki mail er ki reply disen kisui to bujhlam na!! the main mail was abt the "NO" option in upcoming national election.. ar apni ki nia likhsen.. ki ki j likhsen! High court er legal odhikar niye prosno tulsen.. huh! apni ki janen, adalot niye na jene ulta palta comment korar jonne apnar biruddhe adalot obomanonar mamla hote parey?? court issa korle govt er any activity challenge korte pare.. court asei jekono onnay theke jonogon k rokkha korar jonne.. shorkar jodi onnay kore ba korte pare bole court er kase prosno dkeha dey, tokhon shorkarkeo challenge kora jete pare.. ta se ellected govt e hok r non-elected caretaker govt e hok..

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:55 AM, dina khan <dina30_khan@yahoo.com> wrote:

ou can ask CTG to open quality schools

for providing professional quality education

to the professional people including the Politicians, Media, Judicial & Law professional

for making them clear understanding & realizing persons in making the differences.

You can tell them to know first

1)        Why was created the situation for coming this present 1/11 CTG   with Special Emergency Power?

2)        Who are the responsible persons for creating the terrible disaster in the country for State Emergency?

3)        What is the CTG?

4)        What are the reasons for making CTG in Bangladesh?

5)        Who are the makers of CTG?

6)        Why could not be possible to conduct Normal Election by Normal CTG?

7)        Who are the persons for making causes of failure to normal CTG?

8)        Now it can think

9)        What is RAB?

10)   Who makes RAB?

11)   What is the purpose for making RAB &

12)   What is the difference among RAB, all forces & other professionals

You can say to the concerned people that for realizing  & to understand any thing needs some understanding knowledge.

To earn understanding knowledge requires some education.

To understand the difference between the right & wrong or to make the difference between a Dakat & a soldier needs knowledge of quality education.

For earning knowledge of quality educational requires quality educational schools.

You can point out saying that it is the very regretful matter

That Dhaka University or any educational institution in Bangladesh has no system & does not provide quality education.

On the other hand

The Political Party Government does not require for thinking that for providing quality education to the professional people to make them understanding persons for making the differences to their actual duty & to do their duty efficiently.

So & Therefore:

This CTG is advised & asked for making a system to provide quality education nation wide to all professionals for making them quality educated & quality understanding persons to make the differences &  to do their actual duty correctly in time. It can be asked CTG to provide nation wide job basis quality education nation wide for all category professionals for realizing the difference between a Dakat and a Soldier.

You can give the Examples for learning & knowing that

1)       Who is Dakat what his work, Who is army what his work

Can you think are equal both?

2)       Who is chur what his duty, Who is police what his duty

Is it true that are the same the work of police & the work of chur?

3)        Who is politician what his function & what the relation among dakat army police chur& other professionals.

Can be thought that are all ( police army politicians chur & dakat) same? Have you Idea that in Bangladesh are all ( police army politicians chur & dakat) working with the same motive for reaching at the same destination to their aim of looting public money & power?

4)         Lastly all to know & to understand what is the duty & responsibility of the Government &

5)        What is being done in Bangladesh by the Government of Bangladesh?

You can Advise to the Court saying that

The high court has no legal right to challenge the policy which is made by the legal CTG Council of CTG Government.

Causes:

CTG appointed by the elected legal president is the constitutional legal Government for conducting fair & neutral election.

The CTG as a Care Taker Government in the CTG system can make any policy & can make any rules of law for Nation interest for creating Lawful Administration to conduct fair & neutral election & to rule the country for the people's well fare. 

So the duty of the Judicial Department is to do trialing works & to give verdict according to the rules of law made by the National Assembly & the rules in absence of National Assembly made by the CTG Council.

The duty of the Government is to follow the rules of the constitution made by the National Assembly & the rules made by the CTG Council.

 

You can also ask CTG to introduce Jury Board System in Judicial Verdicts

for Establishing the Justice of law, Justice of human right

for Establishing the faith to the public mind & to the society that Lawful Verdict is given by the Court.

The Jury Board can be formed selecting the Jury Board members from the National Voter list.


--- On Fri, 18/7/08, Innovation Line <innovation_line@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Innovation Line <innovation_line@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical
To: Shadeshi_Bondhu@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 8:59 AM


NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical option
From the information available so far, the option of introducing NO vote seems to be a prescription to nowhere! This has the potential to destroy the whole system. We propose a slighly different option which might be considered. The alternate choice would help achieve the same goal with a little complexity. But its not impractical as the "None of the above" options is.
 
 
Ok, ok, the title is a bit too harsh, may be.
 
It should first be recognized that the option of a NO vote gives the voters an additional choice to express themselves. And as a outcome, if a NO vote ever passes if such a regulation becomes effective, it is really a good outcome. It's good as far as academic perspective is concerned. Democracy in works.
 
However, if you really implement it and if there is a win for NO in an election, then what do you do?
 
You cancel the election, presumably. Then what?
 
Arrange for another election. Who are the candidates now? What happens if the same candidates gets nomination from the political parties, again?
 
Ok, lets for the sake of debate, lets assume, you disqualify the all the candidates from contesting again. Then what? But the second group of candidates, who are being nominated by the same political parties, could be equally disliked by the voters and NO could win again. So, what to do now?
 
With the proposed introduction of the NO opiton, we may get a very good, theoretically sound system that gives more options to the voters. But in practice, it seems to be poised to stumble.
 
Ok, lets assume, you do not go for a re-election. Rather you empower a pre-defined body of selectors to appoint an office bearer in cases where NO vote wins. Ideally, this could solve the problem, in some cases, but who ensures that body of selectors would not start campaigning for NO vote so they can appoint their own candidates bypassing the peoples' opinion? Nobody can assure us that would not happen. In fact, there is every potential that the bureacracy will become a de-facto NO party competing with the rest of the political parties. This scenario is a road to nowhere!
 
[A similar thing has happened with the system of caretaker government. The policy-makers thought they can safely use the office to Chief Justice to rescue them from a cronic political problem. You can not have a system that would substitute the need for a responsible and competent politicians. Moreover, there will always be people like Moudud who will find a way to beat the system, if you leave a scope for that. Bottomline is that there is no free lunch. Never. This also signifies the need for the so-called civil soceity members to come out of their comfort zone and actually be involved in politics in a more direct mode, instead of current consultative mode.
 
Off course, it is always possible to improve the system which do a better job in electing better candidates. The system should not try to replace the need for responsible candidates, which it never can, rather the system should aim to empower the general people so they can elect better candidates and encourage good candidates to run for office. In the following section, we propose such a system which has the potential to improve the system. Please let us know what you think about it.]
 
Back to the square again. We can not think of a scenario, Mr. CEC and Mr. Chief Adviser, which actually gives an expected result. But we might be wrong. We will be waiting to hear the logic which proves us wrong. 
 
There is one option though - which might work. Lets lay out the thought for your consideration.
 
The underlying message of this proposed change in regulation is to give more option to people, which is a noble objective. The extra option of NO, in its current form, aims to give the voters a second chance. But that second chance comes at a cost, through another round of electoral campaign. Even unfortunate is that does not solve the problem, even after the cost of another round of campaign.
 
So, we propose, why don't just give voters a second choice in the first round of voting? Under this system, voters will vote for two choices for any post. First choice and Second choice. Say for the post of Mayor or MP (where one candidate will eventually be elected), votes in a ballot for first choice and in another ballot for a second choice candidate among the other candidates. The two ballots (one for first choice, and one for second choice) could be of different colors so they are easily identifiable.
 
While counting, we could decide to count the votes for first choice first. If any of the candidates gets 66% of the firsth choice votes, we consider him / her as winner.
 
However, if nobody gets a two-third majority, we could decide to count all the first choice and second choice ballots and decide a winner through a simple majority.
 
It will be a compromise between what we had before and what we may get with the option of NO vote. We think it gives more option to the people, increases the chance of better candidates to come out in certain situations and most importantly, its pragmatic, it does not burden the election system. Its not uncertain.
 
It seems to us that it could be workable solution. For example, people are usually less likey to vote for a good candidate from non-major party even if they would personally tell you that they would have given the vote if the good candidate had any chance of winning. That kind of mentality is a major setback for our democratic norms. But that is the reality. You can not change people over night. Also, we need to work on educating our populace. In the language of general people, they think, they will be wasting a vote for the good candidate with no immediate and tangible result.
 
While Shujan personnel like Dr. Badiul Alam Majumder might tell you that this kind of mentality is not suitable for democracy, we will tell you that its the problem with people like them that they don't understand how the real life actually works. Though he seems to be working out in the field now a days, however, we are sorry to say that some people are too idealistic. Theory is good, but reality is even better if you can use the mechanics of the natuaral tendency of people. Thats the key. As long as people think its a waste of vote, then its a waste of vote. And we also think its a waste of vote, as far as voting result is concerned. Hence, its pragmatic on the part of the voters to try to choose the lesser evil.
 
Now, those of you who are thinking that introducing a NO option will fix the problem inherent in the logic of choosing a lesser evil, you could not be more wrong.
 
To repeat: there is two option.
 
1. Keep the current voting rules which is being followed all over the world (Do not think all the democracies of the world didn't think about this easy fix. They probably didn't consider this option for the reason of impractibility, we think). Keep pounding the political parties and other institutions so that they choose better candidates.
 
OR
 
2. Try to find an alternate framework that might be better comapared to what we have now. We mentioned one such possibility with the "two-choice voting" method. Its our hope that everybody will give this choice the due diligence that it deserves.
 
If you thought some of the ideas are worth of your reading time, please forward it to others. If you have an ear to the columnists in regular traditional media, please forward it to them. If you have an ear to the journalists and news editors of the electronic media, discuss it with them. Hope they would look at the suggestions and give due diligence. 
 
Thanks for your time,
Innovation Line
 
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Dear readers, also, if you thought the article was important enough so it should come under attention of the head of the government please forward the message to them. Email address for the Chief Advisor: feeedback@pmo. gov.bd_ or at http://www.cao. gov.bd/ feedback/comments. php .
You may send it to the Election Commission: http://www.ecs. gov.bd/English/ FieldOffAddr. php

Also send to your favourtie TV channel:
Channel i: http://www.channel- i-tv.com/ contact.html
ATN Bangla: mtplive@atnbangla. tv_
NTV: info@ntvbd.com_
RTV: info@rtvbd.tv_
BTV: info@btv.gov. bd_
 
The more of you forward it to them, the less will be the need to go back to street agitation. Use ICT to practice democracy.
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Re: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical


ou can ask CTG to open quality schools

for providing professional quality education

to the professional people including the Politicians, Media, Judicial & Law professional

for making them clear understanding & realizing persons in making the differences.

You can tell them to know first

1)        Why was created the situation for coming this present 1/11 CTG   with Special Emergency Power?

2)        Who are the responsible persons for creating the terrible disaster in the country for State Emergency?

3)        What is the CTG?

4)        What are the reasons for making CTG in Bangladesh?

5)        Who are the makers of CTG?

6)        Why could not be possible to conduct Normal Election by Normal CTG?

7)        Who are the persons for making causes of failure to normal CTG?

8)        Now it can think

9)        What is RAB?

10)   Who makes RAB?

11)   What is the purpose for making RAB &

12)   What is the difference among RAB, all forces & other professionals

You can say to the concerned people that for realizing  & to understand any thing needs some understanding knowledge.

To earn understanding knowledge requires some education.

To understand the difference between the right & wrong or to make the difference between a Dakat & a soldier needs knowledge of quality education.

For earning knowledge of quality educational requires quality educational schools.

You can point out saying that it is the very regretful matter

That Dhaka University or any educational institution in Bangladesh has no system & does not provide quality education.

On the other hand

The Political Party Government does not require for thinking that for providing quality education to the professional people to make them understanding persons for making the differences to their actual duty & to do their duty efficiently.

So & Therefore:

This CTG is advised & asked for making a system to provide quality education nation wide to all professionals for making them quality educated & quality understanding persons to make the differences &  to do their actual duty correctly in time. It can be asked CTG to provide nation wide job basis quality education nation wide for all category professionals for realizing the difference between a Dakat and a Soldier.

You can give the Examples for learning & knowing that

1)       Who is Dakat what his work, Who is army what his work

Can you think are equal both?

2)       Who is chur what his duty, Who is police what his duty

Is it true that are the same the work of police & the work of chur?

3)        Who is politician what his function & what the relation among dakat army police chur& other professionals.

Can be thought that are all ( police army politicians chur & dakat) same? Have you Idea that in Bangladesh are all ( police army politicians chur & dakat) working with the same motive for reaching at the same destination to their aim of looting public money & power?

4)         Lastly all to know & to understand what is the duty & responsibility of the Government &

5)        What is being done in Bangladesh by the Government of Bangladesh?

You can Advise to the Court saying that

The high court has no legal right to challenge the policy which is made by the legal CTG Council of CTG Government.

Causes:

CTG appointed by the elected legal president is the constitutional legal Government for conducting fair & neutral election.

The CTG as a Care Taker Government in the CTG system can make any policy & can make any rules of law for Nation interest for creating Lawful Administration to conduct fair & neutral election & to rule the country for the people's well fare. 

So the duty of the Judicial Department is to do trialing works & to give verdict according to the rules of law made by the National Assembly & the rules in absence of National Assembly made by the CTG Council.

The duty of the Government is to follow the rules of the constitution made by the National Assembly & the rules made by the CTG Council.

 

You can also ask CTG to introduce Jury Board System in Judicial Verdicts

for Establishing the Justice of law, Justice of human right

for Establishing the faith to the public mind & to the society that Lawful Verdict is given by the Court.

The Jury Board can be formed selecting the Jury Board members from the National Voter list.


--- On Fri, 18/7/08, Innovation Line <innovation_line@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Innovation Line <innovation_line@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Shadeshi_Bondhu] NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical
To: Shadeshi_Bondhu@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 8:59 AM

NO for "None of the above" option. Two-choice voting method might be a practical option
From the information available so far, the option of introducing NO vote seems to be a prescription to nowhere! This has the potential to destroy the whole system. We propose a slighly different option which might be considered. The alternate choice would help achieve the same goal with a little complexity. But its not impractical as the "None of the above" options is.
 
 
Ok, ok, the title is a bit too harsh, may be.
 
It should first be recognized that the option of a NO vote gives the voters an additional choice to express themselves. And as a outcome, if a NO vote ever passes if such a regulation becomes effective, it is really a good outcome. It's good as far as academic perspective is concerned. Democracy in works.
 
However, if you really implement it and if there is a win for NO in an election, then what do you do?
 
You cancel the election, presumably. Then what?
 
Arrange for another election. Who are the candidates now? What happens if the same candidates gets nomination from the political parties, again?
 
Ok, lets for the sake of debate, lets assume, you disqualify the all the candidates from contesting again. Then what? But the second group of candidates, who are being nominated by the same political parties, could be equally disliked by the voters and NO could win again. So, what to do now?
 
With the proposed introduction of the NO opiton, we may get a very good, theoretically sound system that gives more options to the voters. But in practice, it seems to be poised to stumble.
 
Ok, lets assume, you do not go for a re-election. Rather you empower a pre-defined body of selectors to appoint an office bearer in cases where NO vote wins. Ideally, this could solve the problem, in some cases, but who ensures that body of selectors would not start campaigning for NO vote so they can appoint their own candidates bypassing the peoples' opinion? Nobody can assure us that would not happen. In fact, there is every potential that the bureacracy will become a de-facto NO party competing with the rest of the political parties. This scenario is a road to nowhere!
 
[A similar thing has happened with the system of caretaker government. The policy-makers thought they can safely use the office to Chief Justice to rescue them from a cronic political problem. You can not have a system that would substitute the need for a responsible and competent politicians. Moreover, there will always be people like Moudud who will find a way to beat the system, if you leave a scope for that. Bottomline is that there is no free lunch. Never. This also signifies the need for the so-called civil soceity members to come out of their comfort zone and actually be involved in politics in a more direct mode, instead of current consultative mode.
 
Off course, it is always possible to improve the system which do a better job in electing better candidates. The system should not try to replace the need for responsible candidates, which it never can, rather the system should aim to empower the general people so they can elect better candidates and encourage good candidates to run for office. In the following section, we propose such a system which has the potential to improve the system. Please let us know what you think about it.]
 
Back to the square again. We can not think of a scenario, Mr. CEC and Mr. Chief Adviser, which actually gives an expected result. But we might be wrong. We will be waiting to hear the logic which proves us wrong. 
 
There is one option though - which might work. Lets lay out the thought for your consideration.
 
The underlying message of this proposed change in regulation is to give more option to people, which is a noble objective. The extra option of NO, in its current form, aims to give the voters a second chance. But that second chance comes at a cost, through another round of electoral campaign. Even unfortunate is that does not solve the problem, even after the cost of another round of campaign.
 
So, we propose, why don't just give voters a second choice in the first round of voting? Under this system, voters will vote for two choices for any post. First choice and Second choice. Say for the post of Mayor or MP (where one candidate will eventually be elected), votes in a ballot for first choice and in another ballot for a second choice candidate among the other candidates. The two ballots (one for first choice, and one for second choice) could be of different colors so they are easily identifiable.
 
While counting, we could decide to count the votes for first choice first. If any of the candidates gets 66% of the firsth choice votes, we consider him / her as winner.
 
However, if nobody gets a two-third majority, we could decide to count all the first choice and second choice ballots and decide a winner through a simple majority.
 
It will be a compromise between what we had before and what we may get with the option of NO vote. We think it gives more option to the people, increases the chance of better candidates to come out in certain situations and most importantly, its pragmatic, it does not burden the election system. Its not uncertain.
 
It seems to us that it could be workable solution. For example, people are usually less likey to vote for a good candidate from non-major party even if they would personally tell you that they would have given the vote if the good candidate had any chance of winning. That kind of mentality is a major setback for our democratic norms. But that is the reality. You can not change people over night. Also, we need to work on educating our populace. In the language of general people, they think, they will be wasting a vote for the good candidate with no immediate and tangible result.
 
While Shujan personnel like Dr. Badiul Alam Majumder might tell you that this kind of mentality is not suitable for democracy, we will tell you that its the problem with people like them that they don't understand how the real life actually works. Though he seems to be working out in the field now a days, however, we are sorry to say that some people are too idealistic. Theory is good, but reality is even better if you can use the mechanics of the natuaral tendency of people. Thats the key. As long as people think its a waste of vote, then its a waste of vote. And we also think its a waste of vote, as far as voting result is concerned. Hence, its pragmatic on the part of the voters to try to choose the lesser evil.
 
Now, those of you who are thinking that introducing a NO option will fix the problem inherent in the logic of choosing a lesser evil, you could not be more wrong.
 
To repeat: there is two option.
 
1. Keep the current voting rules which is being followed all over the world (Do not think all the democracies of the world didn't think about this easy fix. They probably didn't consider this option for the reason of impractibility, we think). Keep pounding the political parties and other institutions so that they choose better candidates.
 
OR
 
2. Try to find an alternate framework that might be better comapared to what we have now. We mentioned one such possibility with the "two-choice voting" method. Its our hope that everybody will give this choice the due diligence that it deserves.
 
If you thought some of the ideas are worth of your reading time, please forward it to others. If you have an ear to the columnists in regular traditional media, please forward it to them. If you have an ear to the journalists and news editors of the electronic media, discuss it with them. Hope they would look at the suggestions and give due diligence. 
 
Thanks for your time,
Innovation Line
 
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Note: This is a freelance column, published mainly in different internet based forums. This column is open for contribution by the members of new generation, sometimes referred to as Gen 71. If you identify yourself as someone from that age-group and want to contribute to this column, please feel free to contact. Thanks to the group moderator for publishing the article as Creative Commons contents.
 
Dear readers, also, if you thought the article was important enough so it should come under attention of the head of the government please forward the message to them. Email address for the Chief Advisor: feeedback@pmo. gov.bd_ or at http://www.cao. gov.bd/ feedback/comments. php .
You may send it to the Election Commission: http://www.ecs. gov.bd/English/ FieldOffAddr. php

Also send to your favourtie TV channel:
Channel i: http://www.channel- i-tv.com/ contact.html
ATN Bangla: mtplive@atnbangla. tv_
NTV: info@ntvbd.com_
RTV: info@rtvbd.tv_
BTV: info@btv.gov. bd_
 
The more of you forward it to them, the less will be the need to go back to street agitation. Use ICT to practice democracy.
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